tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post655162972650416609..comments2018-10-14T23:23:56.634-07:00Comments on The Bayou Thebaid: On not ossifying the fathersJ. B. Aitkenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15616638312087360239noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-81271206776213823942015-08-06T15:29:27.374-07:002015-08-06T15:29:27.374-07:00jacob DOT aitken AT gmail DOT comjacob DOT aitken AT gmail DOT comJ. B. Aitkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616638312087360239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-14542171504994103632015-08-06T15:16:07.869-07:002015-08-06T15:16:07.869-07:00Or if you'd rather not list them here, or it&#...Or if you'd rather not list them here, or it's too nuanced a topic, could we correspond via email?Cal of Chelcicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04274276191242967318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-86721594177998539712015-08-04T06:48:22.099-07:002015-08-04T06:48:22.099-07:00What are some of the better arguments for episcopa...What are some of the better arguments for episcopacy that you've encountered? Cal of Chelcicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04274276191242967318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-66713655923201828752015-08-03T16:40:16.506-07:002015-08-03T16:40:16.506-07:00When I flirted with EO I simply read up on justifi...When I flirted with EO I simply read up on justifications for episcopacy. I never messed with the details. I consider myself convinced historically of its primacy. I'm iffy on the exegetical details. As to what it would look like now, I'm still open.J. B. Aitkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616638312087360239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-65151988579361557642015-08-03T16:07:05.149-07:002015-08-03T16:07:05.149-07:00Those are similar insights I've drawn. Plus, A...Those are similar insights I've drawn. Plus, Apostolic Succession in its rudimentary beginnings was not unanimously decided as the mechanical process of hand-laying. Irenaeus and Tertullian constructed a prototype around the idea of continuity of teaching.<br /><br />I wonder how Episkopos would fit under designation of 'chief-elder'. But that sounds rough and contrived. I'm much more episcopal now then I use to, but as you say, it's an issue of bene esse.<br /><br />Do you have any idea about how this would ideally take place in the 21st century? Are the episcopal communions ossified in their understanding? Certainly there's a lot of baggage, with royal privilege, wealth, power (which many orthodox dissenters pointed out).Cal of Chelcicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04274276191242967318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-26430000231480723142015-08-03T14:58:06.891-07:002015-08-03T14:58:06.891-07:001) The fact of bishops is that you can find them V...1) The fact of bishops is that you can find them VERY early on.<br />2) However, you cannot make a connection between Scriptures and Apostolic Succession. You have to read it back in.<br />3) Which means that I hold bishops to be part of the bene esse of the church, not the esse.<br />4) Accordingly, the "overseer principle" is a fact of life. Someone is going to rise to the top, all other things equal. <br /><br />I know Reformed people say that presbuteros and episkopos are used interchangeably. So they are, but even Reformed people will hold one presbuteros as a little bit higher. We call him Moderator of the General Assembly to be Rotated Every Year. You really don't see that in Scripture.<br /><br />Ideally, it's a principle of good order and I'm fine with it.J. B. Aitkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616638312087360239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-23615238444000855232015-08-03T14:12:56.352-07:002015-08-03T14:12:56.352-07:00I'd be curious to hear more about your thought...I'd be curious to hear more about your thoughts on the early practices of 'bishops' and what that might mean ecclesially now. That's an issue I've been considering as of late. Of course, Bishop, biblically or post-Apostolic Church history, never meant the rich priceling of medieval Europe. But I'm wary of rejecting it wholesale too, especially as Presbyterianism is a failed and fraudulent model of Church government (though that's my humble experience with the PCA).<br /><br />calCal of Chelcicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04274276191242967318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-45889698258015991612015-08-02T15:53:26.118-07:002015-08-02T15:53:26.118-07:00I don't have any major problems with Reformed ...I don't have any major problems with Reformed theology. I have some slight differences of emphasis. <br />1. I think one can easily prove that bishops were part of the church's praxis very early on. I reject the idea that these bishops mediate grace to the people.<br />2. I think the language of imputing righteousness is over-read into the Scriptures. I think it is a legitimate second-order reflection.<br />3. I think the RPW is strained.J. B. Aitkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616638312087360239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-6503606004063513072015-08-02T15:12:34.670-07:002015-08-02T15:12:34.670-07:00What are the major problems you have with reformed...What are the major problems you have with reformed theology?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08694396921774630990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-65545761570962358352015-08-02T13:30:48.145-07:002015-08-02T13:30:48.145-07:00Thanks, this was an interesting post. Thanks, this was an interesting post. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160337047596548755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1420093134571892773.post-47558263392761288002015-08-02T02:48:48.576-07:002015-08-02T02:48:48.576-07:00This was an interesting read. It helped to get a b...This was an interesting read. It helped to get a bit of a background on your thoughts.Matthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.com